. chris wallace starting things off, now 9:00 p.m., 6:00 p.m. local time in las vegas. a word about chris wallace, a member of the extended mike wallace family, former member of the extended nbc news family. he was a correspondent here for a good long time, and as has been pointed out this week by the "new york times" and others, tonight represents something of a big deal for his employers at

fox news. you could argue an equal and opposite reaction to the original clinton years along with limbaugh, fox news was born. this is a fox news anchor and correspondent as moderator of the third and final presidential debate. nicole wallace, your final initial thoughts before going into this? >> i first met chris wallace when i was white house communications director for george bush and we never viewed george wallace as part of that empire -- he describes himself as being port of fox's new dws z organization, but chris wallace seeing himself as a news man. >> both hillary clinton and barack obama have done interviews with chris wallace and they -- >> and both hillary clinton and donald trump had to agree to all of these moderators. they have to agree. >> he was very tough in the primary debate. >> yeah.

we've talked about issues and i feel there is a fantasy we'll move in that direction. my understanding is a lot of time in debate prep was spent answering questions about these allegations of sexual contact if you will. >> and the "new york times" says trump is determined to raise hillary clinton's physical health as a political issue tonight. so the signs we've gotten from the individual reporting but also from what's been reported about their plans don't indicate this is going to be super substantive, but they can always surprise us. >> those are members of the traveling press pool that you just saw enter in front of the wings, they'll get their photos both still and video of the official delegations, friends and family sitting in the front row, which is actually quite close to those lecterns, which you'll notice differ slightly in terms of height. you'll also notice the tell prom prompter across from chris wallace and will remain and go back to a black panel.

if i told you what you'll be looking for the most, most anxious to hear and see tonight what would that be? >> i want to see how donald trump can change the number in the latest polling indicating that only 37% believe that he has the judgment to serve effectively. that's really what this whole debate has to be about for him, is changing that number. on policy, the supreme court is everything. that is the only rational reason left for the e vvangelical porst has, and i would emphasize the supreme court as hugh hewitt predic predicts. >> here we go, we're underway from las vegas. good evening from the thomas and mack center at the university of nevada las vegas. i'm chris wallace of fox news. i welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential

debate between secretary of state hillary clinton and donald j. trump. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. the commission has designed the format. six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic, none of those questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent, no cheers, boos or other interruptions so we and you can being to us on the what candidates have to say. no noise expect right now as we welcome the democratic nominee for president, secretary clinton and the republican nominee for president, mr. trump. [ applause ]

second clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to it. the first topic is the supreme court. you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate but i want to drill down on this because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment and likely -- or possibly two or three appointments, which means that you will in effect determine the balance of the court for what could be the next quarter century. first of all, where do you want to see the court take the country and secondly what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? do the founders' words mean what they say, or is it a living document to be applied flexibly according to changing circumstances in this segment, second clinton, you go first, you have two minutes. >> thank you very much, chris,

and thanks unlv for hosting us. when we talk about the supreme court it really raises the central issue in this election. namely what kind of country are we going to be, what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens, what kind of rights will americans have. and i feel strongly that supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people, not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. for me, that means that we need a supreme court that will stand up on behalf of women's rights, on behalf of the rights of the lgbt community, that'll stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. i have major disagreements with

my opponent about these issues and others that will be before the supreme court. but i feel that at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality that we not reverse roe v. wade, we stand up for citizens united and stand up for peoples rights in the workplace, and we basically say the supreme court should represent all of us. that's how i see the court, and the kind of people that i would be looking to nominate to the court would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans, and i look forward to having that opportunity. i would hope that senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate. the president nominates and the

senate advises and consents or not, but they go forward with the process. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, same question. where do you want to see the court take the country and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted? >> first of all it's great to be with you and thank you, everybody. the supreme court is what it's all about. our country is so, so -- just so imperative we have the right justices. something happened recently, where justice ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements towards me and towards a tremendous number of people, many millions of people that i represent, and she was forced to apologize and apologize she did. but these were statements that should never, ever have been made. we need a supreme court that in my opinion is going to uphold the second amendment and all amendments, but the second amendment, which is under absolute siege if my opponent

should win this race, which i truly don't think will happen, we will have a second amendment, which will be a very, very small replica of what it is now, but i feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that the justices that i am going to appoint -- and i've named 20 of them -- the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life, they will have a conservative spe conservative bent and protect the second amendment, and great scholars of tremendous respect, and will interpret the foundation the way the founders wanted to interpreted and i believe that's very, very important. i don't think we should have justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. it's all about the constitution of -- and so important, the

constitution the way it was meant to be and those are the people that i will appoint. . >> mr. trump thank you. we have about ten minutes for an open discussion. i want to talk about two issues in fact by the justices that you name could end up changing the existing law of the land. first, is one that you mentioned mr. trump, and that is guns. secretary clinton, you said last year and let me quote, the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment and in fact, in the 2008 heller case, the court ruled there is a constitutional right to bear arms but a right that is reasonable limited, those were the words of the judge antonin scalia who wrote the decision. what's wo wrong with that? >> first of all i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 wonderful years. i represented upstate new york. i understand and respect the

tradition of gun ownership, it goes back to the founding of our country. but i also believe there can be and must be reasonable regulation. because i support the second amendment doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. and so when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive ba background checks, need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loopholes. there's other matters that are sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the heller decision and what i was saying is i disagreed with the way the court applied the second amendment in that case because what the district of columbia was trying to do was to protect

toddlers from guns and so they wanted people with guns to safely store them, and the court didn't accept that reasonable regulation but they've accepted many others, so i see no conflict between saving peoples' lives and defending the second amendment. >> let me bring in mr. trump. the bipartisan open debate coalition got millions of votes on questions to and here and this was in fact one of the top questions that they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected, you just heard secretary clinton's answer. does she persuade you, while you may disagree on regulation, that in fact she supports a second amendment right to bear arms? >> the dc versus heller decision was very strongly and she was extremely angry about it. i watched. she was very, very angry when upheld and justice scalia was so involved and it was a well-crafted decision, but hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry, and people that

believe in the second amendment and believe in it very strongly were very upset with what she had to say. >> let me bring in secretary clinton. were you extremely upset? >> well, i was upset because unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people with guns because unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions. but there's no doubt that i respect the second amendment, that i also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conflict with sensible, common-sense regulation and you know look, i understand that donald's been strongly supported by the nra, the gun lobbiesy's on his side running millions of dollars in ads against me and i regret that because i would like for people to come together and say of course we're going to protect and defend the second amendment, but we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of

these 33,000 lives that we lose every year. >> let me bring mr. trump back into this because in fact, you oppose any limited on assault weapons, any limited on high capacity magazines. you support a national right to carry law. why, sir? >> let me just tell you before we go any further, in chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the united states, probably you could say by far, they have more gun violence than any other city. so we have the toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence. i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment, and i am -- i don't know if hillary was saying it in a sarcastic man but i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the nra and it's the earliest endorsement they've ever given to anybody who has run for president so i'm very honored by all of that. we're going to appoint justices. this is the best way to help e

second amendment. we're going to appoint justices that will not do damage to the second amendment. >> let's pick up on if the justice that elects you could have a dramatic impact on the subject of abortion. i want to ask you specifically, do you want the court, including the justices that you will name to overturn roe v. wade, including a womans right to abortion. >> i am pro life and i will be appointing pro life judges and i say that will go back to the individual states. >> i'm asking you -- >> they overturned it it will go back to the states. >> i'm asking do you want to see the court overturn. you just said you want the court to protect the second amendment. do you want to see roe v. wade.

>> that'll happen automatically. i am putting pro-life justices on the court. it will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination. >> secretary clinton? >> i strongly support r roe v. wade, which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases decisions about her healthcare that one can imagine, and in this case, it's not only about roe v. wade, it is about what's happening in america. so many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice to the extend that they are defunding planned parenthood, which of course provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he's in favor of defunding planned parenthood, he even supported shutting the government down to defund planned parenthood. i will defend planned

parenthood. i will defend roe v. wade, and women's rights to make their own decisions and we've come too far to have that turn back now and indeed he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions and i could not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. >> i'm going to give you a chance to respond, but secretary clinton, i want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. you also voted against a ban on late-term partial birth apportionabortio abortio abortions, why? >> because roe v. wade very clearly sets out there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account, and when i voted as a senator, i did not think that

that was the case. the kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. i have met with women who have, towards the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continued to carry to term, or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. so you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. >> mr. trump, your reaction and particularly on this issue of late-term partial birth abortion. >> it's terrible. if you go with what hillary is saying in the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.

now, you can say that that's okay and hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me. because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day, and that's not acceptable. >> that is not what happens in these cases, and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with, women i've known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make, and i do not believe the government should be making it. you know, i've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. i've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions like they used to do in china or forced women to bear children like they used to do in romania and i can tell you the government has no

business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice and i will stand up for that right. >> all right. just briefly, i want to move on -- >> and honestly nobody has business doing what i just said, doing that, as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. nobody has that. >> all right. let's move on to the subject of immigration, and there is almost no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration -- actually there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you. mr. trump, you want to build a wall. secretary clinton, you have offered no specific plan for how you want to secure our southern border. mr. trump, you are calling for major deportations. secretary clinton, you say within your first 100 days as president you're going to offer a pack angthage that includes a pathway to citizenship. your you right and your opponent wrong? mr. trump you go first in this

segment you have two minutes. >> first of all she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster and unfair to at all people waiting in line for many years. in the audience we have four months mothers, whose children have been brutally killed by people that came into the country illegally. you have thousands coming in illegally. drugs are pouring in through the border. we have in country if we have open border. hillary wants amnesty. 16,500 plus i.c.e. last week endorsed me. first time they've ever endorsed a candidate it. means their job is tougher but they know what's going on and they know it better than anybody. they want strong borders. they feel we have to have strong borders. i was up in new hampshire the other way. the biggest complaint they have, with all of the problems going on in the world, many of the

problems caused by hillary clinton and by barack obama, all of the problems, their single-biggest problem is heroine that pours across the border poisoning their youth and plenty of other people. we have to have strong borders. we have to keep the drugs out of our country. we are -- right now we're getting the drugs, they're getting the cash. we need strong borders, we need absolute -- we cannot give amnesty. now, i want to build a wall. we need the wall, and the border patrol, i.c.e., they all want the wall. we stopped drugs, we shore up the border. one of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones. we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. we're going to get them out, we're going to secure the border and once the boarder and secured at a later date we'll make a determination as to the rest. we have some bad ombres here and we're going to get them out. >> mr. trump, thank you. same question to you, secretary

clinton. basically, why are you right and mr. trump is wrong? >> well, as he was talking, i was thinking about a young girl i met here in las vegas, carla, who's very worried that her parents might be deported because she was born in this country, but they were not. they work hard, they do everything they can do give her a good life, and you're right. i don't want to rip families apart. i don't want to be sending parents away from children. i don't want to see the deportation force that donald has talked about in action in our country. we have 11 million undocumented people. they have four million american citizen children. 15 million people. he said as recently as a few weeks ago, in phoenix that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. here's what that means. it means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence, where law enforcement officers would be going school to school, home to home,

business to business, rounding up people who are undocumented, and we would then have to put them on trains, on buses to get them out of our country. i think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i voted for border vote in the united states senate, and my comprehensive immigration reform plan of course includes border security, but i want to put our resources where i think they're most needed, getting rid of any violent person anybody who should be deported, we should deport them. when it comes to the wall that donald talks about building, he went to mexico, he had a meeting with the mexican president, didn't even raise it, he choked and got into a twitter war because the mexican president said we're not paying for that wall. so i think we're both a nation of immigrants and we're a nation of laws and that we can act

accordingly and that's why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days with a path to citizenship. >> thank you, secretary clinton. i want to followup -- >> chris, i think i should respond. >> okay. >> first of all i had a very good meeting with the president of mexico, very nice man. we will be doing very much better with mexico on trade deals, believe me. the nafta deal signed by her husband's one of the worst deals ever made by any kind signed by anybody. it's a disaster. hillary clinton wanted the wall. hillary clinton fought for the wall in 2006 or thereabouts. she never gets anything done so naturally the wall wasn't built, but hillary clinton wanted the wall. >> let me -- sir, let me. >> we are a country of laws -- and by the way -- i'd like to hear from -- >> i'd like to hear from secretary clinton. >> i voted for border security and there are -- >> and the wall. >> there are some limited place

where is that was appropriate. there also is necessarily going to be new technology and how best to deploy that. but it is clear when you look at what donald has been proposing, he started his campaign bashing immigrants, calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and drug dealers, that he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with immigrants. now, what i am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, putting them into the formal economy, will be good because employers can't exploit them and undercut americans' wages. and donald trump knows a lot about this. he used undocumented labor to build the trump tower and under paid undocumented workers and when they complained he said you complain i'll get you deported. i want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy working, and not let employers like donald exploit undocumented workers, which hurts them but

also hurts american workers. >> mr. trump? >> president obama has moved millions of people out. nobody knows about it, nobody talks about it, but under obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country, they've been deported. that's what's happened, and that's what's happened big league. as far as moving these people out, we're a country of laws. we have a border or we don't. you can come back in and you can become a citizen but it's very unfair. we have millions of people that did it the right way. they're in line, they're waiting. we're going to speed up the process, big league, because it's very inefficient. they're in line and waiting to become citizens. very unfair somebody runs across the border becomes a citizen, under her plan you have open borders, you would have a disaster or trade and a disasterer with your opdisaster with your open borders. president obama has departorted millions of people -- >> secretary clinton -- >> we will not have open

borders. that is a rank mischaracterization. >> secretary clinton? >> we will have secure borders but we will also have reform. and this used to be a bipartisan issue. ronald reagan was the last president to sign. >> secretary clinton -- >> and george w. bush support today, as well. >> secretary clinton, i want to clear up your position on this issue because in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we've learned from the wikileaks, that you said this, and i want to quote "my dream is a hemmispheric common market wih open trade and open borders." >> thank you. >> so that's the question -- that's the question. please quiet, everybody. is that your dream, open borders? >> if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about energy, you know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the worldcom bien combii want an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders.

i think that would be a great benefit to us. but you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks and what's really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. they have hacked american web sites, american accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government, clearly from putin i himself himself, in an effort, as 17 intelligence agencies have confirmed to influence our election. so i think the most important question of this evening, chris, is finally, will donald trump admit and condemn that russians are doing this, and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin, in this election,

that he rejects russia espionage against americans, which he actually encouraged in the past. those are the questions we need answered. we've never had anything like this happen in any election before. >> that was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders, okay? how did we get to putin? >> hold on -- hold on, folks because this is going to end up getting out of control. let's try to keep it quiet for the candidates and for the american people. go ahead. >> just to finish on the borders, she wants open borders. people are going to pour in to our country. she wants 550% more people than barack obama and he has thousands and thousands of people. they have no idea where they come from and you see we're going to stop radical terrorism in this country. she won't mention the words and neither will president obama. so, i just want to tell you, she wants open borders now we can talk about putin. i don't know putin. he said nice things about me, if

we got along well, that would be good. if russia and the united states got along well and went after isis that would be good. he has no respect for her. he has no respect for our president, and i'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1,800 by the way, where they expanded and we didn't. 1,800 nuclear warheads, and she's playing chicken. look, putin -- >> wait -- >> -- from everything i see hassy has no respect for this person. >> that's because he'd rather have a puppet for president of the united states. >> you're the puppet. >> it's clear the russians engaged in cyber attacks against the united states of america that you encouragedi espionage against our people, that ayou ae

willing to spout the putin line, breakup nato, whatever he wants to do and you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. so, i think that this is such an unprecedented situation. we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. we've have 17 -- 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionaged attacks, these cyber attacks come from the highest levels of the kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election. i find that deeply disturbing, and -- >> secretary clinton -- >> and i think it's time to take a stand. >> she has no idea it's russia, china or anybody else. >> i'm not quoting myself, i'm quoting 17 intel -- do you doubt 17 military -- >> our country has no idea. >> -- agencies -- he'd rather believe vladimir putin than the

military intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us. i find that just absolutely -- >> she doesn't like putin, because putin has outsmarted her every step of the way -- >> mr. trump -- >> excuse me . mr. trump -- i do get -- i do get to and some questions. >> yes, that's fine. >> i would like to ask you this direct question, the top national security officials of this country do believe that russia has been behind these hacks. even if you don't know for sure whether they are, do you condemn any interference by russia in the american election? >> by russia or anybody else. >> you condemn their interference? >> of course i condemn. i don't know putin. i have no idea -- >> i'm not asking that. >> i never met putin. this is not my best friend, but if the united states got along with russia, wouldn't be so bad. putin has outsmarted her and obama at every single step of the way, whether it's syria -- you name it, missiles. take a look at the startup they

signed. the russians have said, according to many, many reports, i can't believe they allowed us to do this. they create warheads and we can't. the russians can't believe it. she has been out smarted by putin and all you have do is look at the middle east. we've spent $6 trillion, they've taken over the middle east. she has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than anybody i've ever seen in any government whatsoever. >> we're a long way away from immigration but i'm going to let you finish this topic. you've got about 45 seconds. >> and she always will be. >> i find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons. this is a person who has been very cavalier, even casual about the use of nuclear weaponed -- >> wrong. >> -- he's advocating them, korea, japan, saudi arabia. he said if we have them, why don't we use them, which is terrifying. bottom line on nuclear weapons

is when the president gives the order, it must be followed. there's about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. and that's why ten people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out and in an unprecedented way said they would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the nuclear button. >> i have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 congressional medal of honor recipients, as far as japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody -- we're defending other countries and we are spending a fortune doing it. they have the bargain of the century. all i said is we have to renegotiate these agreements because our country cannot afford to defend saudi arabia, japan, german, south korea and many other places.

she took that as saying nuclear weapons. look, she's been proven to be a liar on so many different ways. this is just another lie. >> well, i'm just quoting you when -- >> there's no quote. you're not going to find a quote for me. >> -- nuclear competition in asia, you said you know go ahead enjoy yourselves, folks. that kind of language -- >> and defend yourself. and defend yourself. >> the united states has kept the peace. >> and defend yourself. >> the united states has kept the peace throughout allian alliancene allianceness. donald wants to tear up our a lianls lianl alliances. i would work with our allies in asia, in europe, in the middle east, and else where. that's the only way we're going to be -- >> we're going to move on to the next topic, which is the economy, and i hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. you also have very different ideas about how to get the

economy growing faster. secretary clinton, in your plan, government plays a big role. you see more government spending, more entitlements, more tax credits, more tax penalties. mr. trump, you want to get government out with lower taxes and less regulation. >> yes. >> we're going to drill down into this a little bit more, but in this overview please explain to me why you believe your plan will create more jobs and growth for this country and your opponent's plan will not. in this round you go first secretary clinton. >> when the middle class thrives america thrives so my plan is based on growing the economy, giving middle class families many more opportunities. i want us to have the biggest jobs program since world war ii. jobs in infrastructure and advance manufacturing, i think we can compete with high-wage countries and i believe we should. new jobs and clean energy, not only to fight climate change, which is a serious problem but

create new business and opportunities. i want to help small businesses, where two thirds of the jobs are coming, i want to raise the national minimum wage because people who live in poverty who work full-time should not be in poverty and i want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do. i feel strongly we have to have an education system that starts from preschool and goes through college so i want more technical education and high school, colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare people for the jobs of the future. i want to make college debt free and for families making less than $125,000, you will not get a tuition bill from a public college or university if the plan that i worked on with bernie sanders is enacted, and we're going to work hard to make sure that it is because we are going to go where the money is. most of the gains in the last year since the graeat recession have gone to the very top so

we're going to have the wealthy pay their fair share and we're going to have corporations make a contribution greater now to our country that. has been analyzed by independent experts that said it could produce ten million jobs. by contrast, donald trump's plan to conclude it might lose three and a half million jobs. his plan is to cut taxes, give the biggest tax breaks ever to corporations adding $20 trillion to our debt and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before because it truly will be trickled down economics on the steroids so the plan i have i think will actually produce greater opportunities, the plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another great recession. >> secretary, thank you. mr. trump, why will your plan create more jobs and growth than secretary clinton? >> first of all, before i start on my plan, her plan is going to raise taxes and double your

taxes. her tax plan is a disaster. and she can say all she wants to college tuition and i'm a big proponent. we're going to do a lot of things for college tuition, but the rest of the public's going to be paying for it. we will have a massive tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. but i'd like to start off where we left, because when i said japan and germany and i'm not just singling them out, but south korea, these are rich, powerful countries, saudi arabia. we protect saudi arabia. why aren't they paying? she immediately saying i questioned it, why aren't the nato questioned, why aren't they paying? because they weren't paying. since i did this a year ago, all the sudden they're paying and i've been given a lot of credit for it. they have to pay up. we're protecting people. they have to pay up and i'm a big fan of nato, but they have to pay up. she comes out and said we love our allies, we think our allies are great. l it's awfully hard to get them

to pay up when you have somebody thinking we think our great they are. we have to tell japan in a very nice way, germany, all of these countries, south korea, we have to say you have to help us out. we have during his regime, during president obama's regime, we've doubled our national debt. we're up to $20 trillion. so my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals. we're going to have more free trade than we have now, but we have horrible deals. our jobs are being taken out by the deal her husband signed, nafta, her jobs are being sucked out of our economy. you look all the places i just left. you go to pennsylvania, ohio, florida, you go upstate new york, our jobs have fled to mexico and other places. we're bringing our jobs back. i'm going to renegotiate nafta, and if i can't make a great deal, then we're going to terminate nafta and we're going to create new deals. we're going to have trade. we're going to terminate it. we're going to make a great trade deal. and if we can't, we're going to

do it, we're going to go a separate way, because it has been a disaster. we're going to cut taxes massively, we're going to cut business taxes massively. they're going to start hiring people. we're going to bring the two and a half, million jobs back into the country, we're going to start the engine rolling again because rights now, our country is dying. >> mr. trump. >> -- at 1% gdp. >> let me translate if you can, chris -- >> you can't. >> -- the fact is he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever seen. three times more than the tax cuts under the bush administration. i have said, repeatedly throughout this campaign, i will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less. i also will not add a penny to the debt. i have cost out what i'm going to do. he will through his massive tax cuts add $20 trillion to the debt. he mentioned the debt. we know how to get control of the debt, when my husband was

president, we went from a $300 billion deficit to a $200 billion surplus and we were actually on the path to eliminating the national debt. when president obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the great depression. he has cut the deficit by two thirds. so, yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the ways you create jobs is by investing in people, so i do have investments, investments in new jobs, investments in education, skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. that's the kind of approach -- >> secretary -- >> -- that will work. cutting taxes on the wealthy, we've tried that. >> -- secretary -- >> it has not worked the way it has been promised. >> secretary clinton, i want to pursue your plan because in many ways it is similar to the obama stimulus plan in 2009, which has led to the slowest gdp growth since 1949. >> correct.

>> thank you, sir. you told me in july when we spoke that problem is that president obama didn't get to do enough in what he was trying to do with the stimulus, so is your plan basically more -- even more of the obama stimulus? >> well, it's a combination, chris, and let me say that when you inherit the level in herrit herrit herrited, i've never seen people as physically distraught as the bush administration team was because of what was happening to the economy. i personally believe that steps that president obama took saved the economy. he doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. but it was a terrible recession. so now we've dug ourselves out of it. we're standing but we're not yet

running. what i am proposes ing that we invest from the middle out and the ground up. not the top down. that is not going to work. that's why what i have put forward doesn't add a penny to the debt, but it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, higher of paying jobs. we're beginning to see some in crease incomes and we certainly have had a long string of increasing jobs. we've got to do more to get the whole economy moving and that's what i believe i will be able to do. >> mr. trump, even conservative commits who have looked at your plan say the numbers don't add up, that your idea -- and you've talked about 25 million jobs created, 4% -- >> over a 10-year period. >> growth is unrealistic. and they say you talk a lot about growing the energy industry, they say with oil prices as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic, as well. your response? >> so i just left some high

representatives of the india. they're growing at 8%. china is growing at 7%, and that for them is a catastrophically low number. we are growing our last report came out and it's right around the 1% level and i think it's going down. last week -- the end of last week they came out with an anemic jobs report. in fact i said is that last jobs report before the election because if it is, i should win easily, it was so bad. the report was so bad. look, our country is stagnant. we've lost our jobs, we've lost our businesses. we're not making things anymore, relatively speaks. our product is pouring in from china, pouring in from vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. i've visited so many communities. this has been such an incredible education for me, chris. i've gotten to know so many -- i've developed so many friends over the last year, and they cry when they see what's happened. i pass factories that were

thriving 20, 25 years ago and because of the bill that her husband signed and she blessed 100%, it is just horrible what's happened to these people in these communities. now, she can say that her husband did well, but boy did they suffer as nafta kicked in, because it didn't really kick in very much, but kicked in after they left. boy, did they suffer. that was one of the worst things that's ever been signed bien y country and she wants to sign transpacific partnership. she called it the gold standard and they actually fact checked and they said i was right. i was so honored. >> i want to give you a chance to briefly speak to that and pivot to 1/6th of the economy, comes obamacare. >> when i saw the final agreement for tpp, i said i was against it, it didn't meet my test. does it create jobs, raise incomes and further the national security, i'm against it now,

i'll be against it after the election, i'll be against it when i'm president. there's only one of us on this stage whose actually shipped jobs to mexico because that's donald. he's shipped jobs to 12 countries including mexico, but he mentioned china and know what of the biggest problems we have with china is the illegal dumping of steal and illuminun in our markets. i've stood up against it as secretary of the state. the trump hotel right here in las vegas was made with chinese steel, so he goes around with crocodile tears about how torib terrible, but he's given jobs to chinese steelworkers. that's the kind of approach that's just not going to work. we're going to pull the country together, we're going to have trade agreements we enforced and i'm going to have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history and we're going to enforce those agreements and look for businesses -- >> secretary clinton? >> -- by buying american products. >> i asked a simple question.

she's been doing this for 30 years. why the hell didn't you do it over the last 15, 20 years? you were very much involved. >> you know, i voted -- >> excuse me, my turn. you were very much involved in every aspect of this country. very much. and you do have experience. i say the one thing you have over me is experience, but it's bad experience, because what you've done has turned out badly for 30 years you've been in a position to help and if you say that i used steelor , or i use something else, i make it impossible. i wouldn't mind. the problem sutalk but you don't get anything done hillary. you don't. just like when you ran the state department, $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion you? ran the state department. $6 billion was either stolen -- they don't know. it's gone. $6 billion. if you become president, this country is going to be in some mess, believe me. >> well, first of all, what he just said about the state

department is not only untrue, it's been debunked numerous times, but i think it's really an important issue. he raised the 30 years of experience. let of me just talk briefly about that. you know, back in the 1970s, i worked for the children's defense fund and i was taking on discrimination against african-american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980s, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990s, i went to beijing, and i said women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss universe, alicia mooachado, cald her an eating machine, and when i was in the situation room monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting the "celebrity apprentice." so, i'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what i've done for this country, trying to

help in every way i could, especially kids and families get ahead and stay ahead with your 30 years, and i'll let the american people make that decision. >> i think i did a much better job. i built a massive company, a great company, somebody greatest assets in the world, worth many, many billions of dollars. a started with a $1 million loan. i agree but i built a phenomenal country and if we could run my country the way i run my country, we would have a country that you would be so proud of, you would even be proud of it, and frankly, when you look at her real record, take a look at syria, take a look at the migration, take a look at lib yarlibia, take a look at iraq. her and obama created this huge vacuum and a small group came out of that huge vacuum -- we should have never been in iraq, but once we were there we should have never got out the way they wanted to get out.

she gave us isis, as you are sitting there and what happened now isis is in 32 countries and now i listened to how she's going to get rid of isis. she's going to get rid of nobody. >> all right. we're going to get to foreign hot spots in a few moments but the next segment is fitness to be president of the united states. mr. trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk, and that you'd never actually done it, and since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward and said that you either groped them, or kissed them without their consent. why would so many different women from so many different circumstances, over so many different years, why would they all in this last couple weeks make up -- you deny this -- why would they all make up these stories and since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even

worse. mr. trump, you go first. >> first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. those people i don't know those people, i have a feeling how they came. i believe it was her campaign that did it, just like if you look at what came out today on the clips where i was wondering what happened with my rally in chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. she's the one and obama that caused the violence. they hired people, they paid them $1,500, and they're on tape saying be violent, cause fights, do bad things. i would say the only way -- because those stories are all totally false. i have to say that. and i didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here, because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these tw women. i didn't see these women. the women on the plane, the woman -- i think they want fame or her campaign did it and i think it's her campaign. what i saw what they did -- which is a criminal act by the

way, they're telling people to go out and start fist fights and violence, and i'll tell you what, in particular in chicago, people were hurt and people could have been killed in that riot and that was now all on tape started by her. i believe, chris, that she got these people to step forward. if it wasn't they get their ten minutes of fame. but they were all totally -- it was all fiction. it was lies and it was fiction. >> secretary clinton. >> at the last debate, we heard donald talking about what he did to women, and after that, a number of women have come forward saying that's exactly what he did to them. now what was his response? he held a number of big rallies where he said he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for -- >> i did not say that. >> -- for them to be assaulted.

>> i did not say that. in fact, he went on to say -- >> sir, her two minutes. >> but did not say that. >> it's her two minutes. >> he went to say, look at her, i don't think so. about another woman, he said "that wouldn't be my first choice." he attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting, as he's called a number of women during this campaign. donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth, and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. so we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how hi ak he acts towards women. that's who donald is. i think it's really up to all of us who demonstrate who we are, and who our country is, and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next

president, how we want to bring our country together, where we don't want to have the kind of pitting of people, one against the other, wherein stead we celebrate our celebrity, we lift people up, and we make our country even greater. america is great because america is good. and it really is up to all of us to make that true, now, and in the future and particularly for our children and our grandchildren. >> mr. trump -- >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. nobody has more weapon. >> please, everybody. >> and frankly those stories have been largely debunked and i really want to just talk about something slightly different. she mentions this, which is all fiction, all fiction lies. probably or possibly started by her and her very she'leezy

campaign. what isn't fictionalized of her e-mails where she destroyed 30,000 e-mails after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. what happened to the fbi, i don't know. we have a great general, four-star general today, you read it in all the papers, going to apparentli potentially serve in jail for lying to the fbi. one lie. she's lied hundreds of times to the people, the congress, and to the fbi. he's going to probably go to jail. this is a four-star general, and she gets away with it and she can run for the presidency of the united states. that's really what you should be talking about, not fiction, where somebody wants fame or they come out of her crooked campaign. >> secretary clinton. >> well, every time donald is pushed on something, which is

obviously uncomfortable, like what these women are saying, he immediately goes to denying responsibility, and it's not just about women. he never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. so we know what he has said and what he's done to women, but he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him on national television. >> wrong. >> he went after ms. and mrs. khan a gold star family because of their religion, he went after john mccain, a prisoner of war, said he prefers people who aren't captured. he went after a federal judge born in indiana, but who donald said couldn't be trusted to try the fraud and recommended tearing case against trump university because his parents were mexican. so, it's not one thing.

this is a pattern. a pattern of divisiveness of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country, where he insights violence, he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies. that is not who america is, and i hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand what's at stake in this e electilection. it comes down to what country we are going to have. >> so sad she talks about violence at my rallies and she caused the violence. the other things are false, but i'd love to talk about getting rid of isis and i'd love to talk about other things. >> okay. >> but those other charges as she knows are false. >> in this bucket about fitness to be president, there's been a lot of developments over the last ten days since the last debate. i'd like to ask you about them. these are questions that

american people have. secretary clinton, during your 2009 senate confirmation hearing you promised to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest with your dealing with the clinton foundation while you were secretary of state, but e-mails show donors got relief were considered simply from nondonors, and some of those donors got contract, government contracts, active money. can you really say you kept your pledge to that senate committee, and what happened and what went on between you and the clinton foundation. why isn't it what mr. trump calls pay to play. >> well, everything i did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interests and our values. the state department said that. i think that's been proven. but i am happy. in fact, i am thrilled to talk about the clinton foundation. because sate world renowned charity. i'm so proud of the work it does. i could talk for the rest of the

debate. i know i don't have the time to do that. but just briefly, the clinton foundation made it possible for 11 million people around the world with hiv/aids to afford treatment. that's about half of all the people in the world who are getting treatment. >> secretary clinton -- >> in partnership with the american health association, we have made environments in schools including healthier lunches. >> secretary, respectfully, this is an open discussion. >> well it is. >> i asked a specific question, pay or the play. >> but there is no evidence -- >> let's ask mr. trump. >> it has been very well studied. >> very well high. [ overlapping dialog ] >> it's a criminal enterprise. saudi arabia giving $25 million. qatar, all of these companies. you talk about women and women's rights. so these are people that push gays off buildings. these are people that kill women and treat women horribly.

and yet you take their money. so i'd like to ask you right now why don't you give back the money that you have taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? why don't you give back the money? i think it would be great gesture. because she takes a tremendous amount of money. and you take a look at the people of haiti. i was in little haiti the other day in florida. and i want to tell you, they hate the clintons because what's happened in haiti with the clinton foundation is a disgrace. and you know it and they know it and everybody knows it. >> secretary clinton? >> well, very quickly at the clinton foundation spend 90%, 90% of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs around the world and in our own country. i'm very proud of that. we are the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. and i'd be happy to compare what we do with the trump foundation which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of donald.

i mean, who does that? it just was astonishing. but when it comes to haiti, haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. the earthquake and the hurricane, it has devastated haiti. bill and have i been involved in trying to help haiti for many years. the clinton foundation raised $30 million to help haiti after the catastrophic earthquake and all of the terrible problems the people there had. we've done things to help small businesses, agriculture, and so much else. and we're going to keep working to help haiti because it's an important part of the american experience. >> i'd like to mention one thing. trump foundation, small foundation. people contribute. i contribute. the money goes 100%, 100% goes to different charity, including a lot of military. i don't get anything. i don't buy boats. i don't buy planes. what happens, the money goes in -- >> wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuit, sir? >> no, we put up the american flag. and that's it.

they put up the american flag. we fought for the right in palm beach to put up the american flag. >> but there was a penalty imposed by palm beach county. >> there was. >> the money came from your foundation. >> there was. >> instead of mar-a-lago. >> went to fisher house where they build houses, the money that you're talk about went to fisher house where they build houses for veterans and disabled. >> but of course there is no way we can know whether any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns. he is the first candidate ever to run for president in the last 40 plus years who has not released his tax returns. serving on he says about charity or anything else we can't prove it. you can look at our tax returns. we've got them all out there. but what is really troubling is that we learned in the last debate he has not paid a penny in federal income tax. and we were talking about immigrants a few minutes ago, chris. half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country actually pay federal income tax.

we have undocumented immigrants in america who are paying more federal income tax than a billionaire. i find that just astonishing. >> we're entitled because of the laws that people like her passed to take massive amounts of deappreciation and other charges, and we do it. and all of our donors, just about all of them, i know buffet took hundreds of millions of dollars, sorrows, george soros took hundreds of millions of dollars. let me just explain. >> we heard this. >> most of her donors have done the same thing as i do. >> folks we have heard this. >> hillary, what you should have done, you should have changed the law when you a united states senator. >> we heard this. >> because your donors and your special interests are doing the same thing as i do, except even more. so you should have changed the law, but you won't change the law because you take in so much money. i mean, i sat in my apartment today on a very beautiful hotel down the street. >> made with chinese steel. >> i will tell you, i sat there

watching ad after false ad, all paid for by your friends on wall street that gave so much money because they know you're going to protect them. and frankly, you should have changed the laws. if you don't like what i did, you should have changed the laws. >> mr. trump, i want to ask you about one last question in this topic. you have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that hillary clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. your running mate governor pence pledged on sunday that he and you, his words, will absolutely accept the result of this election. today your daughter ivanka said the same thing. i want to ask you here on this stage tonight do, you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not look at anything now. i will look at it at the time. what i've seen, what i've seen is so bad.

first of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt. and the pile-on is so amazing. the "new york times" actually wrote an article about it, that they don't even care. it's so dishonest. and they have poisoned the minds of the voters. but unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. i think they're going to see through it. we'll find out on november 8th. >> but sir -- >> excuse me, chris, if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people registered to vote. this isn't coming from me, from fury report and other places. millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote. so let me just give you one other thing as i talk about the corrupt media. i talk about the millions of people. i tell you one other thing. she shouldn't be allowed to run. she's guilty of a very, very serious crime. she should not be allowed to run. and just in that respect i say it's rigged.

because she should never -- chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. >> sir, there is a tradition in this country, in fact one of the primes of this country is the peaceful transition of power. and that no matter how hard fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner. not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner. but that the loser concedes to the winner, and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle? >> what i'm saying is i'll tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense, okay? >> characteristics let me respond to that, because that's horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is rigged against him. the fbi conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails. they concluded there was no case. he said the fbi was rigged.

he lost the iowa caucus. he lost the wisconsin primary. he said the republican primary was rigged against him. then trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering. he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mind-set. this is how donald thinks. and it's funny, but it's also really troubling. >> okay. >> now that is not the way our democracy works. we've been around for 240 years. we've had free and fair election. we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them. and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. you know, president obama said the other day when you're whining -- >> hold on, folks, hold on, folks. >> before you're even finished, it shows you're not up to doing

the job. and let's, you know, let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means. he is denigrating, he is talking down our democracy. and i for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. >> i think what the fbi did and the department of justice did including meeting with her husband, the attorney general in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in arizona, i think it's disgraceful. i think it's a disgrace. >> all right. >> i think we've never had a situation so bad as. this. >> hold on, folks. this doesn't do any good for anyone. let's please continue the debate and move on to the subject of foreign hot spots. the iraqi defensive to take back mosul has begun. if they're successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes what happens the day after.

and that's something that whichever -- whoever of you ends up as president is going to have to confront. will you put u.s. troops into that vacuum to make sure isis doesn't come back or isn't replaced by something even worse? secretary clinton, you go first in this segment. you have two minutes. >> well, i am encouraged that there is an effort led by the iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces and also given the help and advice from the number of special forces and americans on the ground. i will not support putting american forces into iraq as a force. i don't think that is in our interest and i don't think it would be smart to do. chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for isis to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it's going to be a hard fight. i've got no illusions about that. and then continue to press into syria to begin to take back and

move on raqqah, which is the isis headquarters. i am hopeful that the hard work that american military advisers have done will pay off, and that we will see a really successful military operation. but we know we've got lots of work to do. syria will remain a hotbed as terrorism as long as the civil war aided and abetted by the iranians and the russians continue. so i have said look, we need to keep our eye on isis. that's why i want to have an intelligence surge that protect us here at home while we have to go after them from the air, on the ground, online. why we have to make sure here at home we don't let terrorists buy weapons. if you're too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to buy a gun. and i'm going to continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within syria. not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly gain some leverage on

both the syrian government and the russians so that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. >> mr. trump, same question. if we are able to push isis out of mosul and out of iraq, would you be willing to put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return or something else? >> let me tell you, mosul is so sad. we had mosul. but when she left, she took everybody out, we lost mosul. now we're fight again to get mosul. the problem with mosul and what they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders of isis who they felt were in mosul. about three months ago, i started reading that they want to get the leaders. and they're going to attack mosul. whatever happened to the element of surprise? okay? we announce we're going after mosul. i've been reading about going

after mosul now for how long? three months? these people have all left. they've all left. the element of surprise. douglas macarthur, george patton spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. so we're now fighting for mosul that we had. all she had to do is stay there. now we're going in to get it. but you know who is big winner in mosul is going to be after we eventually get it? and the only reason they did it is because she is running for the office of president. and they want to look tough. they want to look good. he violated the red line in the sand. and he made so many mistakes. made all mistakes. that's why we have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election. so they're going in. but who is going to get mosul, really? by the way, much tougher than they thought. much tougher, going to be more deaths than they thought. but the leaders we wanted to get are all gone because they're

smart. they said what do we need this for? so mosul is going to be a wonderful thing, and iran should write us a letter of thank you, just like really stupid, the stupidest deal of all time. a deal that is going to give iran absolutely nuclear weapons. iran should write us yet another letter saying thank you very much. because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq. something they've wanted to do forever. but we've made it so easy for them. so we're now going to take mosul. and you know who is going to be the beneficiary? iran. boy are they making -- i mean, they are outsmarting. look, you're not there. you might be involved in that decision. but you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and out of iraq. you shouldn't have been in iraq. but you did vote for it. you shouldn't have been in iraq. but once you were in iraq, you should have never left the way. >> sir, your two minutes are up. >> the point is the winner is going to be iran. >> well, once again, donald is implying that he didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake. i said that years ago.

he has consistently defined -- >> wrong. >> what is a very clear fact. >> wrong. >> that before the invasion he supported it. i just want everybody to go google it. google donald trump iraq and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> and you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. now why does that matter? well, it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me because i did vote for it. what's really important here is to understand all the interplay. mosul is a sunni city. mosul is on the border of syria. and yes, we do need to go after baghdadi, just like we went after bin laden while you were doing "celebrity apprentice," and we brought him to justice. we need to go after the leadership, but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their

fighters, their estimated several thousand fighters in mosul. they've been digging underground. they've been prepared to defend. it's going to be tough fighting. i think we can take back mosul and move on into syria and take back raqqah. this is what we have to do. i'm just amazed that he seems to think that the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in this election. but that's how donald thinks, you know. looking for some -- >> chris, we don't gain anything. iran is taking over iraq. >> secretary clinton -- >> iran is taking over iraq. >> secretary clinton -- >> we would have gained if we had surprise. >> secretary clinton, it's an open discussion. secretary, secretary, please let mr. trump speak. go ahead. >> and he proves it every time he talks. >> no, you are the one that is unfit. wikileaks just came out. john podesta said some horrible things about you. and boy was he right.

he said some beauties. and you know, bernie sanders, he said you have bad judgment. you do. and if you think that going into mosul after we let the world know we're going in and all of the people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone. if you think that was good, then you do. now john podesta said you have terrible instincts. bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. i agree with both. >> well, you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president. and he has said -- >> which is a big mistake. >> and campaigned for me around the country. you the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of america. i think he is right. >> let's turn to aleppo. mr. trump, in the last debate, you were both asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo. and i want to follow up on that because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir.

you said that aleppo has basically fallen. in fact, there are -- it's a catastrophe. >> it is a catastrophe. >> it's a mess have. you seen it? have you seen it? have you seen what's happened to aleppo? >> sir, if i might finish my question. >> okay. so it hasn't fallen. take a look at it there. >> are a quarter million people still living there and being slaughtered. >> that's right. and they're being slaughtered because of bad decisions. >> if i may just finish here. and you also said that isis -- that syria and russia are busy fighting isis. in fact, they have been the ones who have been bombing and shelling eastern aleppo. and they just announced a humanitarian pause, in effect admit thanksgiving have been bombing and shelling aleppo. would you like to clear that up, sir? >> well, aleppo is a disaster. it's a humanitarian nightmare. but it has fallen from any standpoint. whether you need to sign a document, take a look at aleppo. it is so sad when you see what's happened. and a lot of this is because of hillary clinton.

because what has happened, by fighting assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she thought, and now she is going to say oh, he loves assad, he's just much tougher and much smarter than her and obama. and everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. he aligned with russia. he now also aligned with iran. who we made very powerful. we gave them $150 billion back. we give them $1.7 billion in cash. i mean cash, bundles of cash as big as this stage. we gave them $1.7 billion. now they have aligned, he has aligned with russia and with iran. they don't want isis. but they have other things because we're backing, we're backing rebels. we don't know who the rebels are. we're giving them lots of money, lots of everything. we don't know who the rebels are. and when and if, and it's not going to happen because you have

russia and you have iran now. but if they ever did overthrow assad, you might end up as bad as assad is, and he is a bad guy. but you may very well end up with worse than assad. if she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape. and this is what has caused the great migration where she has taken in tens of thousands of syrian refugees who probably in many case, not probably, who are definitely in many cases isis aligned. and we now have them in our country and wait until you see this is going to be the great trojan horse. and wait until you see what happens in the coming years. lots of luck, hillary. thanks a lot for doing a great job. >> secretary clinton, you have talked about in the last debate and again today that you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and to stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that because he fears it's going to draw us closer, deeper into the conflict. and general joseph dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff there says you want to

impose a no-fly zone, chances are you're going to get into a war, his words, with syria and russia. so the question i have, if you impose a no-fly zone, first of all, how do you respond to their concerns? secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a russian plane violates that, does president putin shoot that plane down? >> first of all, i think a no-fly zone could save lives and could hasten the end of the conflict. i'm well aware of the really legitimate concerns you have expressed from both the president and the general. this would not be done just on the first day. this would take a lot of negotiation, and it would also take making it clear to the russians and the syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground. we've had millions of people leave syria. and those millions of people inside syria who have been dislocated. so i think we could strike a deal and make a it very clear to

the russians and the syrians that this was something that we believe was in the best interests of the people on the ground in syria. it would help was our fight against isis. but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he has made these claims repeatedly. i am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in. but i'm not going to slam the door on women and children. that picture of that little 4-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance is haunting. and so we are going to do very careful, thorough vetting that does not solve our internal challenges with isis and our need to stop radicalization, to work with american muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. in fact, the killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse nightclub was born in queens,

the same place donald was born. so let's be clear about what the threat is and how we are best going to be able to meet it. and yes, some of that threat emanates from over in syria and iraq, and we've got to keep fighting. and i will defeat isis. and some of it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here at home. >> i want to get into our final segment. >> but i just have to, it's so ridiculous. she will defeat isis. we should have never let isis in the first place. and right now they're in 32 countries. wait, one second. they have, and a ceasefire three weeks ago. a ceasefire, united states, russian, syria. and during the ceasefire, russia took over vast swatches of land and then said we don't want the ceasefire anymore. we're so outplayed on missiles, on ceasefires. she was not there so i assume she has nothing to do with it. but our country is so outplayed by putin and assad and by iran.

nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is. >> mr. trump, secretary clinton, we need to move on to our final segment. and that is the national debt, which has not been discussed until tonight. our national debt a share of gdp is now 70%. that's the highest since just after world war ii. but the nonpartisan committee for responsible budget says secretary clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of gdp over the next ten years. mr. trump, under your plan, they say it would rise to 105% of gdp over the next ten years. question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. >> i say they're wrong because i'm going to create tremendous jobs. and we're bringing gdp from really 1%, which is what it is now. and if she got in it would be less than zero. but we're bringing it from 1% up to 4%.

i think you can go higher, to 5 or 6%. we have a tremendous machine. we will have created a tremendous economic machine. to do that, we're taking back jobs. we're not going to let our countries be raided by other countries where we don't make our product anymore. it's very sad. i'm going to create a kind of country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be there. we have given it up. we have become very, very sloppy. we've had people that are political ax making the biggest deal in the world. bigger than companies. you take these big companies. these trade deals are far bigger than companies. yet we don't use our great leaders. many of whom back me and many of whom back hillary, i must say. but we don't use those people. these are the greatest negotiators in the world. we are the greatest business people in the world. we have to use them to negotiate our trade deals.

we use political hacks. we use people that get the position because they made a campaign contribution. and they're dealing with china and people who have very much smarter than they are. we have to use our great people. we will create an economic machine the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades. and people, chris, will again go back to work. and they'll make a lot of money. and we'll have companies that will grow and expand and start from new. >> secretary clinton? >> well, first when i hear donald talk about that and his slogan is make america great again. i wonder when he thought america was great. and before he rushes and says before you and president obama were there, i think it's important to recognize that he has been criticizing our government for decades.

you know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in "the new york times" during the time when president reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just said now, that we were the laughingstock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself, puts himself into, you know, the middle and says i alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, i pay for everything i'm proposing. i do not add a penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously because i do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips with. so when i talk about how we're going to pay for education, how we're going to invest in infrastructure, how we're going to get the cost of prescription drugs down, and a lot of the other issues that people talk to me about all the time, i've made

it very clear, we are going where the money is. we are going to ask the wealthy abc corporations to pay their fair share. and there is no evidence whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we'll have what economists call middle outgrowth. we've got to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the families of america. that's where growth will come from. that's why i want to invest in you. i want to invest in your family. and i think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer. and we just have a big disagreement about this. it may be because of our experience. he started off with his dad as a millionaire. i started off with my dad as a small businessman. >> we've heard this before. we've heard this before. >> i think it's a difference that affects how we see the world and what we want to do with the economy. >> time. >> thank you, hillary. could i just respond? >> well, no. because we're running out of time. >> reagan very strongly on trade. i disagreed with him. we should have been much tougher on trade even then.

i've been waiting for years. nobody does it right. and frankly now we're going to do it right. >> the one last area i want to get into in this debate is the fact that the biggest driver of our debt is entitlements, which is 60% of all federal spending. now the committee for federal -- responsible federal budget has looked at both of your plans and they say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the fact that medicare is going to run out of money in the 2020s. social security is going to run out of money in the 2030s. and at that time, recipients are going to take huge cuts in their benefits. so in effect, the final question i want to ask you in this regard, and let me start with you, mr. trump, would president trump make a deal to save medicare and social security that included both tax increases and benefit cuts in effect a grand bargain on entitlements? >> i'm cutting tax. we're going to grow the economy. it's going grow at a record rate. >> but that's not going to help entitlements. >> it's going to totally help you.